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For more discussion on open source and the role of the CIO in the enterprise, join us at The The opinions expressed on this website are those of each author, not of the author's employer or of Red Hat. The attention meter of my program should give you the same as the attention meter of the default program that came with the device. The source code for the program was packed together with it, if you know how to program it should be easy to hack.

Ok, I am not making any strong claim about the product, I have only tested it for a week or so. The 'mindwave' headset is made by the neurosky company, it consists of two electrodes — one placed in the forehead for measuring and one in the ear to serve as a 'ground' measure of the background noise. I received the Myndband yesterday and have given it a whirl. I'm planning on doing a full review for this thread, and have let the supplier know. There is a possibility of beta testing their new 'Pro' software that will have all the graphing features (I was hoping were already there actually and have started looking for hacks to extract the data, there are 3rd party ways of doing it.), the software has three small meters that look like speedos out of a car, one called 'attention' one called 'meditation' and one call 'zone' (I think), basically if they all go to the right then that is 'good' Some interesting things I've noticed/learnt so far.

Listening to music moves the meters in the opposite direction to what is considered 'good' Getting good scores does line up with paying attention without geting involved, which is really hard to do given the fact it is a feedback thing, when the needles go into the good zone, I tend to get involved, and they swing back. What I'm hoping is the pro software has graphs that can run during a session so i can analyse afterwards all of the raw data as well at the output of the meters. I'll update when i have spent more time with it. By the way, the one I have is the one Bruno linked to, the link you have posted is far more advanced, looks good though. Your brand is the heart and soul of your business.

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This deep understanding of subconscious preferences is the key to building brand passion and to the start of a relationship that could last a lifetime. At a loss for words. Brahmavihara game indeed. Just to keep you in the loop, I will be beta testing new software this week and get back to this thread sometime next week. I'm impressed with the supplier's pro-active response to me, so here's hoping the 'pro' software can deliver too. It really does respond to 'wide, attentive, relaxed focus' as the 'positive' feedback on the dials, I've used it just mucking around infront of the computer watching the dials and got quite concentrated, it is like a kasina practice with a macbook!

I'm looking forward to sitting a session without watching the dials and see what it looks like in a graph. So to be fair, I'll wait till I've given feedback to the supplier about the software, then update here further. Edit: to be clear I have the headset. After spending some time with the Mynd Play, I can only really echo Bruno in saying it is a fun toy. Basically the unit itself works fine, but the software is arguably far too basic for what a meditator is looking for (which actually is a bit of a grey area in my case, pardon the pun). I was hoping that the new 'pro' software would be the new standard software, but it has been launched as an additional 35 pound purchase, making the whole thing pretty pricey.

The 'pro' software only really brings it up to the basic type of info you might expect to be seeing (session times, and graphs) but doesn't have anything particularly detailed in the amplitude readings, basically the graphs are OK, but really basic. The hard thing is to work out what it is you want it to do, which is what i said the the vendor; it works, and it's graphs do show the differences between sessions, but it has no flexibility so if you want manipulate the data, you can't. Which leads me back to wondering what I'm looking at and wanting to compare it in a spreadsheet, work out means and standard deviations etc, get a clearer picture than 'that squiggly line is bigger than that one' The reality is this particular company is more geared towards entertainment rather than research/meditation so it wouldn't be fair to say it fails as a product, I rather failed to see that is where the marketing is pointed too. Note the extra large word 'Entertainment' on the home page; -can't say I wasn't told! If you are thinking of doing some personal research with EEG you will be quickly wanting more detail from the data. The upside is the headset itself is apparently compatible with the neurosky software and potentially other 3rd party developers, so if it really does get your juices flowing, the headset is fine and is definately comfy enough, though it is a bit too small for my extra large head Edit: i too would be interested in the software hack you put together Bruno, that little beep could be my ticket out of here. It will be a treat to see software written by hardcore meditators.

Having actual data of what 'jhana' looks like on a generic prosumer EEG device would be great. (lined up with the different descriptions from practice notes) -or simply If infact any correlation is indeed there. Can you imagine having something like that to compare your efforts to? Or even perhaps how surprising it might be to see no correlation in the numbers at all. I think it would be immensely useful and would definately work towards the type of descriptions that Dr Ingram has been talking about. (3rd nana, peak gamma and alpha, no theta, dropping of into spacious awareness as the the beta kicks in ). A few years back after reading 'The Relaxation Response' by Dr Herbert Benson I purchased some interactive biofeedback monitoring software which displayed Heart Rate Variability (HRV) and Galvanic Skin response (GSR).

Played with it for a while but found in the end that it was a diversion from practicing. No doubt as costs come down and functionality expands these tools will be great aids, especially to establish a baseline and to measure progress but I found with less effort more progress was made with old fashion meditation.

Definately agree that at the moment the functions available are limited and poorly suited to meditation. Overall, unless one has a spare laptop set up by their cushion and otherwise some customised software to use, it takes more time to investigate 'what computer says' than it did to sit! Given the right setup though, it would potentially be a great benefit to those wondering what type of 'calm' is meant in calm -abiding. One of the interesting things I found was that listening to music move the dials in the opposite direction to the 'good' side.

Reminded me of Buddha's instructions to avoid music that I read somewhere once. I joined the forum because of this thread =D I recently purchased the Brainwave. For years I was impressed by the video of Ken Wilber with the EEG. Finally, I found something to play with, even I knew that this cheap EEG would never be precise. Anyways I was seduced by this 'attention' and 'meditation' parameters too.

I just have it one day, but I find it a little confusing. I'm not an expert, but the feedback doesn't seems to be very accurate (?). I mean, I had looked for information about how they determined what was 'meditation' and 'attention', as far as I found, they just took 14 random people to set this parameters.

I'm not very sure, but seems that they simply concluded that Beta Waves is concentration (12 to 30hz) and between 8 and 12hz, alpha waves, is relaxation (they call it meditation). What do you think? I have tried different types of meditation and relaxation techniques, and as far as my experience is, the 'meditation' and 'attention' parameters doesn't seem to correlate my 15 years of practice. I think they put the labels to something they conclude from this experiment with 14 people, but I start wonder if this 'meditation' factor has anything to do with real meditation.

In the other hand, I tried with the 'Meditation journal' and 'visualizer 2.0', and they don't seem to make the same lecture (?). For example, the visualizer has a game to burn a barrel with your attention, I practice it until I get the trick, and then I go to Meditation Journal, and doesn't seem to have the same effect. Please, tell me that I'm completely wrong! Anyways, still interesting to visualize the data in the 'visualizer 2.0', but I don't know how to interpret the waves neither, because all the waves from delta to gamma, seems to go like crazy.


I've checked some youtube videos, and it seems that everybody had a similar measurement. I mean, isn't it true that a normal person shouldn't have delta waves activity in waking state? I'm confused because I don't know how to relate all the brain waves information and the Mindwave feedback. An example, I slept for 20 min, and when after I checked the data everything seemed very similar as awake, how can that be possible? Thanks for the thread. Hi Ritzzo, yeah, I think what you have found is pretty par for the course. Until some truly advance meditators are writing the programs to reflect useful feedback for sitting practice it won't be much fun, the stock programs don't cut it.

I think the attraction (the idea of having a real bio feedback 'coach') is valid, though i think it needs a few more years in the market to gain any momentum and worthwhile programs. I found, if you would like to try this, that a really wide relaxed attention would move the dials in the 'good' direction. The issue i had was the graphing just didn't make enough (useful) sense to me, and the ability to dump the data to make my own graph wasn't there. If a program was out there that easily and cheaply dumped the data for session graphs/times then one could track it themselves lining up there journals with what 'computer says!' Seeing a graph of an advanced meditator while in various states and being able to compare if I'm heading in the right direction (following instructions and comparing my own charts) would be the dream.

That is if there is true co-relation in the whole thing to start with. I haven't had a chance to investigate more than I did in this thread, at this stage the time vs benefit for me in not high. Though if you are inclined to investigate options, please keep us up to date. By the way, Welcome!

Actually writing such a program wouldn't be very hard. I will try to do it in the next couple of months. Meanwhile here are two 'hacks' that just measure your attention and meditation levels and give you audiovisual feedback. First there is pBMnF (processing-based brainwave monitoring and feedback), which is a small little hack (i.e. It sucks) written using processing. Windows, MacOS and Linux versions, as well as source code, are attached. BTW this needs you to have thinkgear connector running.

You have to restart every time you want reconnect to the headset (the button does nothing). Keys are: a (monitor attention) m (monitor meditation) b (monitor both) n (no feedback) z (changes something about feedback, I forgot what) 1-0 set the minimum parameter value (10%-100%) feedback beeps if less than this minimum Then there is aBMnF (android-based.) for android. There is some brain entrainment sound which decreases in volume the higher the parameter goes. (click the bottom-right button to connect) This only works if your headset supports bluetooth (which must be turned ON in the android phone) Changing these to record the raw brainwave data should be straightforward, however I might not get around to do it for a while.

Hi I am new here. I have never tried meditation or something like that before. Im male 47 years old and newly diagnozed with Atypical Autism (Asperger) and ADD. I have used ADHD medication ( Concerta ) for 2 months now. I dont know if it has helped or not since I dont feel or notice any effect from the drug. It might have helped since I have noticed that I am a bit better concentrated and get little bit more 'done'.

But the difference is so small that I am not willing to go on with medication for a long period. I am thinking about starting to train Mindfulness, Yoga, Meditation since what I have heard and read it will help after a while of training. However I would like to be able to record and measure my progress over time. I am not about using these Neurofeedback tools for training only for measuring since I believe that it is better to learn it the right way.

So I wonder if these MyndPlay/Neurosky tools are of any use for measuring progress in meditation for a beginner like me? Hi Bastiaan, I think you are asking the same thing we are asking in this thread, and the basic conclusion is no, it doesn't really help at this stage for a few reasons, the most glaring for a beginner is that the programs seem to be written with entertainment in mind, not meditation as you or I may envision it. I would save my money and measure your progress the old fashion way for now, i.e; by it's fruit. Though in your case, dealing with some diagnosed challenges and medication I would really suggest you think of joining a group with a respected / trustworthy teacher to help measure progress. From my interaction with individuals on forums, meditation can get quite off track when dealing with multiple factors influencing the outcomes of the practices, and it is not always good. Just as an aside, and I realise this is unasked for advice, but I would suggest you head towards practices which are not specifically trying to bring on 'altered states', I would suggest more direct, mindful, open eyed sitting, aimed at 'immediacy of mindfulness' or 'relaxed sensate awareness' gently leaving any alteration of metal state aside as 'mayko' and not useful for solo practice.

Sorry if that is more than you asked for, but I did notice the effort to share the diagnosis you mentioned as significant and wanted to address that while I have you attention, if only briefly. All the best Andrew. Bruno, The MyndPlay looks like a better unit.

It seems like this would be an interesting tool. Just record the raw waves to determine if you are in Alpha, Beta, Theta, Delta. You could then use the sound (or light) feedback to help train yourself to achieve specify brain waves. It would be interesting to see what waves exist associated with different meditative states.

There is the Monroe Institute that does something like this for trying to reach states of astral projection. They do so with bin-aural beats.

The left ear and right ear differ slightly causing the brain waves to change. HI Bastiaan - l looked up the drug you mention, and I can assure you mindfulness does not have those side effects!

Do you exercise? Not a crazy amount, just say, walking 6km in the morning. (about 40 minutes) outside, or on an incline treadmill or on an elliptical and saying, as you inhale, 'rising' (in reference to the rising stomach) and saying 'falling' (in reference to the falling stomach)? This is a very helpful way to begin mindfulness training and support the body and mind in its wholesome changes.before eating (maybe just have some water and may be few ounces of almond milk or something).

Has anyone created or found useful free neurofeedback software for these devices? The pro research software suites for sale run into the hundreds of dollars. I'd prefer to see relatively raw brainwave data, with the ability to trigger alerts when parameters fall below certain levels. Most of all I want a concentration failure alert celebrity voice pack with Samuel L. Jackson screaming: 'There's no greater darkness than samsara!' 'Mara's pullin you into his realm of death!' 'We're all gonna die!'

And to help advanced yogis avoid distracting visualizations: 'I've had it with these [email protected]#$!ing nagas on this [email protected]#$!ing plane!' Hi Matthew, I would like to point you to my site. It is not a commercial site (and this is not spam:bashful.

However, I would like to have any Neurosky Mindwave users out there try it out. I put it together for myself and have found, personally, that regular measuring of my meditation practice has really helped me stick to it. If anyone one else on this discussion wishes to try it out, let me know. I would love to hear any feedback you have. I have put a bit of work into the site and the desktop software and it is in a pretty usable state now.

If there is a bit of interest, then I will keep working at it. I would also like to expand to other EEG hardware and mobile platforms in the future. Some further mentronome links:.

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I would like to point you to my site. It is not a commercial site (and this is not spam:bashful. However, I would like to have any Neurosky Mindwave users out there try it out.

I put it together for myself and have found, personally, that regular measuring of my meditation practice has really helped me stick to it. Thanks Matthew, have just been to your site to download Metronome.

I have experienced many of the same frustrations as those expressed above (e.g. What does the 'meditation' meter really measure, and why can't I record the raw data versus time). I'm looking forward to experimenting with Metronome.

To briefly summarize the results of this uncontrolled and therefore admittedly rather unscientific experiment, all participants felt as though they had experienced some benefit from the Zengar training, enough so that they were unanimous in wanting to continue with it as an adjunct to their practice. As their teacher, I felt that most of the participants, and particularly those who were less advanced in their practice at the start of the retreat, had experienced more noticeable improvement than I would normally have expected for a retreat of this duration.

In a few cases this was dramatic. People do typically experience considerable improvement in the quality of their practice during retreats, and often achieve significant breakthroughs as well, so that makes it very difficult to discern which effects might have been the result of intense practice in deep retreat, and which might be in fact due to the neurofeedback. All participants were reminded of this fact repeatedly, and asked to do their best to be objective in their evaluation. Nevertheless, every one of them, and myself as their teacher, were in agreement in feeling that the neurofeedback had made a positive contribution. It will be interesting to see if the progress achieved during retreat regresses as much post-retreat as usual. We have some preliminary reasons to suspect that it might not.

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It is my impression that the more advanced a meditator is in his or her practice, the more subtle is any influence of the Zengar training. For example after a very large number of Zengar sessions (30 plus), I personally have not been able to detect any effect on my meditation or on my emotional state or other mental functions in daily life. But I did notice almost immediately a dramatic improvement in my ability to remember my dreams, and in the vividness, intensity and complexity of the dreams as well. Since dream yoga practices are currently the main focus of my personal practice, this has been a very great boon. The 40-year practitioner in the ten day retreat also reported a tremendous increase in vividness and intensity of dreams, and in the frequency and quality of lucid dream states.

He also did not report any noticeable meditation effects, but was motivated to continue with the Zengar training in the future nevertheless. Indeed, the most common report from all meditators was an increase in dream recall, vividness and intensity.

Really like the software and I find it very helpful. Just want to put a question out. Is being in and holding in 'The Meditative State' from these devices the same as meditation? quote=Ronan O'DriscollHi Matthew, I would like to point you to my site. It is not a commercial site (and this is not spam:bashful.

However, I would like to have any Neurosky Mindwave users out there try it out. I put it together for myself and have found, personally, that regular measuring of my meditation practice has really helped me stick to it.

If anyone one else on this discussion wishes to try it out, let me know. I would love to hear any feedback you have. I have put a bit of work into the site and the desktop software and it is in a pretty usable state now. If there is a bit of interest, then I will keep working at it.

I would also like to expand to other EEG hardware and mobile platforms in the future. Some further mentronome links:. For what it's worth, the data from the Mindwave Brainwave visualizer on a windows-7 PC gets saved into: C: Users user AppData Local NeuroSky Brainwave Visualizer for example, a brainwave recording made of Radioheads 'Karma Police' ends up in a file in this folder called Radiohead - OK Computer - Karma Police.xml If you have Excel you can then go to the folder and open the file - it puts up a couple of questions about handling the xml file first, but just keep hitting enter until it opens. The spreadsheet looks like this.

Karma Police OK Computer Radiohead 3.489499224 29 63 0 0 9021 3538 5150 7147 3681 1885 0 0 2013-11-07T18:077+13:00 You can then use any Excel spreadsheet functionality to analyze your recording - charts, averages, whatever. Some notes:. when poorSignalValue isn't zero it means the electrode was adjusted on your forehead or you moved out of range of the PC. It takes a few seconds to get good records again. a new record is made about every 0.9 seconds, so a four minute song is upwards of 260 records. the createdAt field is when the whole file was saved, so the same for all records. hitting record for the same song twice overwrites over the previous - rename it, move it to another folder, or save the spreadsheet.

close the spreadsheet before hitting record a second time because Excel locks the file. I have made some updates to the android version (added session recording), but not the other, which version do you use? In any case the code needs to be further tested before it's actually ready. I'll admit I am quite disappointed with this first version of most of this kind of hardware. I got the feeling that the meditation and attention sliders were both kind of useless. Does it work well for you?

I have not used the Mindwave device for a while. The only good use I got out of it was using your windows application. How did you code the program? It is very impressive. I remember when I used the device, the attention meter seemed to reflect how lucid my awareness was of my whole field of body sensations.

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This was not particularly helpful for meditation though, and it kind of hurt my forehead wearing the thing-so I lost interest. Considering trying this again, I would only use it with your windows app. Oh, I also remember there was another custom application someone released where it would reveal all the different brainwave frequencies-like delta, beta, etc. That was very exciting to use. I wonder if there is a way for your application to reveal the actual brainwave frequency meters instead of only attention & meditation.